Seems like it would depend on when the heretic made their choice. They could could be "inside" and choose to believe (or not believe) something that would cause the insiders to expel them. Or they could choose to believe something that would preclude them from ever being invited inside. I can see it happening either way.
From what I've observed, that would still be "other;" it would not become heresy until some move were made, either by "other" or by something "inside," to try to incorporate the "other" as part of "inside."
If LDS and Jehovah's Witnesses did not claim to be Christian, would they still be considered heretical by other Christians? Perhaps these would be examples of your point. Similarly, Is Islam heresy vis a vis Christianity or just "other"? Is Christianity Judaic heresy, or "other"?
As heresies become "other," they lose the heresy designation, and new things arise within each entity that become heresies to it.
Buddhism, never having been related to Christianity or other Western religions, would be, fairly clearly, "other" with respect to those.
Heresy implies a "solidified" norm that can be violated, broken, shattered--a loss of unity.
I think I agree. I'm reminded of Martin Buber describing "I and it" and "I and Thou" relationships. I believe that when we see a person as "other" it is easier to objectify them and even go so far as to consider them "less human." A person might begin "inside," but once they voice an unorthodox belief, they would first be considered a heretic, then likely cast out and become "other." The more one considers a person "other," the easier it is to oppress them. The parable of the "Good Samaritan" comes to mind, too.
One of my goals in creating League of Heretics is to raise the awareness that the root of "heretic" means "to choose" and to understand that we all have this power of choice. When we choose to believe or not believe a particular facet of the orthodox or dominant dogma, we have declared ourselves to be heretics by deciding make a choice, rather than believing as we are commanded. "Commanded" may at first seem like a harsh word, but that is essentially what happens.
heretic--accepted one who takes unacceptable exception, so becoming excepted.
It's an inside job. One outside is not a "heretic," but an "other."
Solids break and have defects; fluids flow and freely reform.
Seems like it would depend on when the heretic made their choice. They could could be "inside" and choose to believe (or not believe) something that would cause the insiders to expel them. Or they could choose to believe something that would preclude them from ever being invited inside. I can see it happening either way.
From what I've observed, that would still be "other;" it would not become heresy until some move were made, either by "other" or by something "inside," to try to incorporate the "other" as part of "inside."
If LDS and Jehovah's Witnesses did not claim to be Christian, would they still be considered heretical by other Christians? Perhaps these would be examples of your point. Similarly, Is Islam heresy vis a vis Christianity or just "other"? Is Christianity Judaic heresy, or "other"?
As heresies become "other," they lose the heresy designation, and new things arise within each entity that become heresies to it.
Buddhism, never having been related to Christianity or other Western religions, would be, fairly clearly, "other" with respect to those.
Heresy implies a "solidified" norm that can be violated, broken, shattered--a loss of unity.
I think I agree. I'm reminded of Martin Buber describing "I and it" and "I and Thou" relationships. I believe that when we see a person as "other" it is easier to objectify them and even go so far as to consider them "less human." A person might begin "inside," but once they voice an unorthodox belief, they would first be considered a heretic, then likely cast out and become "other." The more one considers a person "other," the easier it is to oppress them. The parable of the "Good Samaritan" comes to mind, too.
One of my goals in creating League of Heretics is to raise the awareness that the root of "heretic" means "to choose" and to understand that we all have this power of choice. When we choose to believe or not believe a particular facet of the orthodox or dominant dogma, we have declared ourselves to be heretics by deciding make a choice, rather than believing as we are commanded. "Commanded" may at first seem like a harsh word, but that is essentially what happens.